Well Charlie, maybe 'pipe dreams' was too harsh a label, but 'impossible dream' doesn't sound to me to be too far off from the general consciousness or lack of it so far, but that is by no means the same thing as reckoning that nothing could or should be done to lift imperialism off the backs of humanity. However, it seems to me that to work and wait for an ultimate overall ICT result will be too late, in view of the build-up of nuclear and other big and small weaponry, so that urgent interim measures are already needed to avert total catastrophe. What exactly those measures are is a subject for thought and debate and action. I must dash. Cheers.

This isn't a very helpful thing to say T 34, and it certainly isn't political, but I can't help noticing that this post of yours above falls under the "stream of consciousness" heading like something by James Joyce. You're letting it all just pour out!

You go from leftists with placards welcoming the refugees they secretly loathe and detest to the bedroom tax and 'care homes' as a substitute for communism with curry on the menu for Poles and Urdu speakers alike and everywhere getting overcrowded and the idea of a "proletarian homeland" fading into the distance like a weird dream - what the hell is a "proletarian homeland" anyway, it sounds like an institutionalised prison for sub-standard workers?- and then it all ends up with you regretting that hardly anyone speaks English anymore and things'll only get worse and certainly all this mess isn't gong to lead to anything better!

I take it by "anything better" you mean communism though you're always telling us that nobody has any plans for this unknown condition so how can we get there anyway, and then when you yourself come up with a plan for communism it all sounds like a tarted up version of what we've already been suffering from for too long already which you describe above.

However without something drastic like a working class revolution whatever it is, however it works whatever it achieves which can hardly be worse than what we've got now as you depict so well, the future is certainly bleak and things'll only deteriorate. (This of course won't make any difference to all those bourgeois crooks and villains who have their millions securely locked away in Panama and elsewhere. So god bless them all in their futility and may they rot in the hell they've built on earth!)

I will attempt to reply to Charlie's onslaughts of 2016-04-06. Whether or not he regards my recent comment as not very helpful is probably so in that he doesn't like his feathers to be ruffled, especially if he really thinks that his second comment of 07:28 is anything more than an idealist panacea. I have often remarked that plans for constructing anything would be advisable and needed, but personally I have never come up with a 'plan' for communism. How can 'we', or, at any rate, you and comrades, 'get there anyway?' Where's that ? My once mentioning a 'proletarian homeland' was intended as being akin to what I just called Charlie's idealist panacea, rather than a 'prison for sub-standard workers' as he puts it, but if he reconsiders the chaotic situations which might be briefly summarised, yes politically, in the 'care homes' outlook, he might come to realise that his major aspiration is a non-runner, at least in the UK and probably further afield. That is not to say that there won't be any turmoil deemed to be proletarian revolution, but such events so far have not led to anything like what he wants, though now he will probably chant that that 'communism' wasn't 'real' communism. So it could get better, or even worse; in plain English !

Replying to comment of 6 April 2016, no, I don't just have to choose between identifying with the working class (including immigrants) and what the capitalist class does, and apparently only thus identify with CWO ICT doctrine on all that, and now don't want to anyway. You are perpetually dismissive of any issues which you fear threatens the imagined permanent stability of your views. It seems to me that the extremist extent of your views is enough to put workers off multiethnic multicultural socialism and moneyless communism, rather than persuade us towards it.

As for mutual personal experiences of care homes, my mother spent a long time in one in Bolton and my aunt one in Cheltenham. She could sit in a large room in and around which were many chairs. She had meals in a large dining room. Staff from various international backgrounds were very helpful to her and other residents. My point was intended to explain that as immigrants whose native language(s) are not English increasingly arrive and then settle for what you describe as measly pay, it seems likely that if and when my own elderly and other generations find themselves sitting around a care home lounge, many residents by then are likely to want to chatter in something other than English. Would you be happy enough with that ? Incidentally, today I had to return to the Library a teach yourself Urdu course, as the tape in one of its two cassettes was missing. In the newsagent I go to, blokes at the counter chatter in Urdu with each other and with some customers.

Charlie, the care homes I know of are not 'fancy', as you put it. Cosy? Well, they provide heat, something that many pensioners cannot adequately afford in their own homes. The homes owned by elderly people who urgently need to move to a care home have, in some cases, to be put on sale at short notice, and then a bridging loan has to be raised to pay a deposit while an estate agent seeks a buyer. The physical efforts and costs involved in clearing the home for sale can be demanding of close relatives. The state money contribution to the care home costs is, in my experience, far short of the fees, which increase as the amount of care necessarily unfortunately grows. I do not have data regarding elderly workers needing care home care who do not a home of their own to be sold, but I expect that it is as bad as you say.

In reply to your question about me and urdu, that was only a brief and passing attempt to look into the language. As for sounding like a certain politician, a sign in a railway carriage today asking passengers to keep the sound of mobile phones down made me think of something like hush hush lush.

Thank you Charlie, apology accepted, and my apologies likewise, so here's to no worries - some hopes ! As a brief thought re loneliness in old age and a migration, it can be of some comfort for any retired workers to remember that they are part of a world class. Stood in my aunt's home after it had been cleared of everything but the phone, I remembered being in it when it belonged to my grandad. He had been sent to Archangel at the end of WW1 as a morse code telegraphist. He was back in 1919. Gran, a telegraphist, went stone deaf from scarlet fever, so Gramp would tap messages on his knee which she could read across a room of other people, and they didn't know what he had sent !

Charlie, what you've just said on 9/4 10.06 is noteworthy and the outlook needs a lot of considertion. Whilst appreciating being part of the world proletariat, it can also be encouraging to know, for instance, that in my case I'm also English, and it is not a case of just having to choose betwen one or the other, though still recognising competing inter-class interests in the UK and worldwide.

Your latest reply T 34 horrifies me! Why would a world wide class war be cast as (do you mean become?) a world wide race war? Why do you call all folk indigenous to the Far East, as it used to be called, a "Maoist led yellow and brown peril"? Striking workers in China might find that a bit of a joke. Mao is somewhat old hat now and "yellow and brown peril" goes back surely to the early 20th century, Rudyard Kipling and Boys Own Comics?

There are it is true still existent "white supremacist imperialist colonialists" - in fact they're far too many to mention - but generally they try to disguises themselves (with the exception of D. Trump, and right wing loonies in general) as nice, kind, friendly bourgeois and of course fully "democratic" politicians and respectable citizens. (It doesn't always work of course.)

But I'm a little miffed that somehow you try to credit the world wide class war which inevitably in your view turns into a world wide race war as my "outlook"!

Perhaps you have been mislead by my comment about what might happen in S.East Asia should the European proletariat give us a lead. What I was actually thinking about was what happened in Indonesia in the 'sixties when, seemingly urged on by the new dictator Suharto (replacing Sukarno who got himself labelled as a commie by competing bourgeois politicians) thousands of people in Bali were massacred on the grounds that they were communist too. This is an event which is little talked about (some writers have referred to it as an example of "racial cleansing") and about which everything is not clear. But that largely uneducated people can so easily be set at each other's throats at the mere whim and behest of an incoming bourgeois dictator made and has remained a strong impression with me. I thus fear the possibility of repeat events like this in what are still largely uneducated areas of the world in, for example, parts of Asia, should the world ever enter a genuine revolutionary turmoil. (Remember the strange events in Rwanda when people suddenly killed each other for belonging to the wrong tribe.)

This is a very good reason for requiring the international presence of a World Communist Party with powerful communicative techniques able constantly to clarify and explain what is happening and developing inside and within proletarian uprisings as these take place and develop. Fortunately information networks are far more developed now and available to all just about everywhere in a way in which they weren't even 20 years ago, never mind the 'sixties. So that is a positive for us.

Whether it's a positive for you T 34 I am no longer sure. You sound increasingly like some left-over little Englander from what I thought was a bygone age. And if you are gong to respond to this latest post of mine with another little Englander type response from you then expect no reply from me.