Russoian Translations of Damen and Bordiga made by ARS

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I have read the English translation 'Who are we' (Thesis of the Alliance of the Revolutionary Socialists). It is indeed fascinating to see what they had to say. The paragraphs numbered 2, 3 and 8 each mention 'General Assemblies' which of course is a common theme within the 'communist left'. Is there any difference between using them for revolutionary events and then using them for running the economy ? Personally I'm not sure that using them to run the economy would work, if everyone in the assemblies had an EQUAL say in the decision-making. Would such an arrangement be sufficiently efficient to produce all that will be required ? Any boy in a school playground gets to know who are the top dogs, the leading characters, and those are often the most assertive, most vocal and thus the most influential, whether or not what they have to say makes any real sense. Thus it is by no means certain that a general assembly would tend to be guided by concepts akin to those of the communist left nor even by marxism at all, and might actually tend towards a more fascist competitive set of situations. No doubt corrective measures would be recommended in advance to try to avert all that, but they could be swept aside. Some sort of agreed structure, whether or not fully formalised, might work better for an efficient socialist then communist set of arrangements.

Small correction to my comment of 2011-12-11 - The paragraphs numbered 3, 4 and 8 refer to General Assemblies (not 2,3 and 8 as I originally stated). I apologise for the error. Paragraph 6 refers to the Global Power of Colllective Assemblies.

Our position is more described here - revsoc.org

but it is only in russian (i hope for a while)

What about economy - most of us believt that total computerization and automatization of production will negelate such problems.

Computer will analyse demand on every good and there will be no need to maka a special votatations: more toys, or more hats

dktz, did u get my idea?

In reply to eres23 of 2011-12-14, thank you for your comment concerning computerization and automatization of production. I guess that the question will be, how will the data be acquired and how will it be fed into computers ? Should every home have a computer to be used to supply data on the requirements of the home ? The answers are probably not known yet. dktz - 2011-12-15.

If DKTZ doesn't get it I am sure I don't. Computers don't make socialism workers do. Computers are not some deus ex machina but operate within the mode of production which uses them. hence though they have the capacity to make life easier under capitalism they work against us to throw workers out of a job. No doubt under socialism they will be useful tools of analyssi and calcualtion which will help us satisfy people's real needs but they don't help one iota in the struggle to get from here to there.

I agree that computers are not 'deus ex machina', but in so far as some workers use laptops at home, they do in fact help in extending ICT and other views far quicker than earlier forms of communication. Therefore it seems advisable to beware of a 'Luddite' view of computers in general. However, we should also remember the old saying "Garbage in, garbage out !".