November 2024
Use of the internet for discussion
This contribution is being posted on the ICC’s and the CWO’s discussion forums.
I have been trying to get used to internet based discussion in the recent couple of years. Im gradually getting over the problems of being too worried about being absolutely correct when I write something. I have contributed on both the ICC’s and the CWO’s forums and engaged in interesting discussions even if I cant always manage to get responses to what I feel are key issues. I guess that’s the nature of group discussion whether face to face or not anyway.
What I have noticed is that members from neither group engage in discussions on the others forum. Is this an agreed practice?
It is clear that the internet is changing discussion and indeed intervention.. Both the ICC and the CWO organisations have discussed how to respond to the emergence of electronic communication and have geared themselves up to change from printed media to internet based interventions. The ICC appears to have forsaken public meetings as a discussion point and embraced the hosting of an internet forum as the main means of external communication alongside its press.
As an old fart, I still find face to face discussion important but I am aware of the need for change here. Nevertheless I am concerned that this may diminish the opportunity for discussion between the 2 groups. If their public meeting are being reduced, then where is the opportunity for members to discuss, influence and get to know others perspectives? I have seen members of both organisations engage in fruitful and comradely discussion after the main part of meetings has ended – all without fear of crossing organisational lines!! This is however happens purely by chance, yet I see this contact as very important. All are left communists after all and there are not that many to ignore points of contact.
Having said this I do recognise that printed and internet discussion raises problems of whether what is being said represents individuals views or the organisation they belong to and I don’t quite think this has been solved on internet forums.
To facilitate contact discussion between the groups, is there some way of agreeing how to enable individuals to contribute to all groups forums. Ok, you will want to keep certain discussion formal and to representative of organisation but there must also be scope to discuss individual without the fear of crossing those organisation lines.
Is it not possible for both organisations to simply agree that members can contribute as individuals to each other discussion forums? Otherwise the informality of internet discussion is likely to keep posing more and more problems of this nature in future and is likely to inhibit discussion between the groups.
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I have posted on both.
I have posted on both.
Personally I find the ICC a decent source of info ( I could say the same about several other sites) and support discussion between the two groups. I think that the ICT is correct to maintain the most cordial relations it can with all those who are not openly of the bourgeois camp and this applies to the ICC.
This is not to say that there have not been serious problems which are not forgotten, but in the interests of progress, I think that communication, either face to face, on the net or other should be maintained. I think this will increase the reputation of the ICT amongst all those looking to revolutionary solutions.
I don't think the ICC is a special case and that it should be a particular focus of our efforts to find an audience for our perspectives, nor should it be shunned.
However justified, I think an hostile attitude is probably of little use at the current stage we find ourselves.
Other comrades may not agree.
thank you for your response
thank you for your response Stevein7 - the only one, so far anyway!!
I dont disagree with anything you say and would hope all comrades do. I would certainly not argue that everybody has to agree on everything and join the same organisation at all, there is clearly a validity to the existence to different streams of thought within the workers movement. Its only to be expected that these differences exist and i would not push eg regroupment as a short term option at all. So agreed no special cases, just discussion and clarification.
Your mention of the current stage seems to find echoes in the ICC's recent statement on the international situation from their congress. The organisations do not agree fully on explanations of the current situtation but are both grappling with the implications of a lack of class struggle in the heartlands of capital and the appearance of social struggles in the rest of the world.
Do you agree with the last paragraph of the ICCs resolution then and what do you think are the implications for us all?
With regards internet
With regards internet discussions their is also this initiative
What is the Left Communist Network forum?
The Left Communist Network forum was originally created in January 2013 to be a forum where sympathisers of the Communist Left could meet and discuss. At present, the membership is exclusively composed of those who are outside of formal organisations of the Communist Left. The original invitations were sent out to some contacts of the 'founders' of the network. These contacts then sent out invitations of their own. The initial coming together of the 20-or-so members was expected to be a short-term phenomenon, before a public announcement of the formation of the network, and a general invitation to unaligned Left Communists to participate. However, it was suggested from the very first that the forum membership could later be expanded to include those in organisations. A mechanism for this was never worked out.
Different participants in the early days had different ideas about how the network could develop. Some saw it as only a discussion site; some wanted the network to become involved in a co-operative publishing venture; some wanted to use it as the basis for further regroupment of revolutionaries. None of these perspectives have happened over the last 9-10 months. There has been little discussion; there has been no concrete move towards setting up a publishing venture; no 'organising of the un-organised' has taken place. The network never moved beyond the point of a small group talking about talks. The forum, intended as a way to organise discussions for the 'opening out' of the network, never generated the discussion necessary to move any further. What there is, is a small group of sympathisers of the Communist Left, and a forum.
The active membership of the forum has now decided that it really is time to make the existence of the forum 'public'. Nearly 5 years ago, a 'Left Communist internet forum' was proposed by ex-members of the CBG, for the sharing of information and to aid discussion between supporters of different organisations. There may have been other proposals of a similar nature about which we are not aware; but certainly it was proposed then. The Left Communist Network forum could fulfil that role. To that end, we're making the forum public, and inviting all Left Communists, both inside and outside organisations, to join it.
We see the forum as being one for fraternal discussion. We hope all comrades from whatever background or organisation will see this as a useful goal and take part in a constructive fashion. While serious disagreements will inevitably arise, disruptive or abusive behaviour - however it might be excused politically - will not be tolerated.