London CWO Meeting in the Anarchist Bookfair

Saturday October 29 2016

at 12.00 noon

CWO Meeting on

After Brexit, Populism, Corbynism etc …

Political crisis in the capitalist class, way forward for the working class?

The global capitalist system has reached an economic impasse. This is reflected in a sense of political uncertainty in ruling class political circles everywhere. Where does this leave the working class and how do we respond to the overlapping crises?

The Bookfair takes place at Park View School West Green Road London N15 3QR and the CWO meeting is in Room F5.

The nearest underground stations are Seven Sisters and Turnpike Lane but more details on getting there as well as the programme of meetings can be found on the bookfair website at anarchistbookfair.org.uk

Comments

I would be interested to learn how the meeting went. In simplistic terms, if more workers could combine to swim against the tide, that might eventually lead to a counter-tide sufficiently strong to push back that of capitalism, though whilst not forgetting King Canute ! Anyway, having read all the leftcom article re Paul Mason's views, I have also, without confusing that, read an article by Julie Hyland of 23 April 2016 entitled "Left leave" Brexit campaign: Apologists for nationalism and defenders of capitalism" and the nine A4 pages I printed of the article 'For a active boycott the Brexit referendum!' statemet of the SEP of the ICFI of 29 February 2016. Please don't spike this comment as 'blogging', because I have also yet again read the CWO book Trotsky Trotskyism Trotskyists and am finding that as the SEP rejects Pabloism (entryism) and calls for political campaigning completely clear of bourgeois poliics, there seems such a range of compatability with CWO so that maybe some swimers can navigate co-operatively. That SEP hopes for a united states of Europe does of course raise CWO questions. When I once asked Chris Marsden if a USE would have any frontiers, he replied that that would depend upon who was on the other side ! His article of 18 April 2016 calls for a .."a genuinely socialist and internationalist movement against the EU and its constituent governments". I hope that this comment might lead to some reduction of feelings of isolation in those of both organisations, and produce useful co-operation. As a non-member of either anyway, I find it hard to pick any that would get my unquestioning agreement, and guess I'm not the only one.

I didn't mention the vexed issue of 'anti-fascism' which has been a long-term bone of contention between CWO and Trotskyism, when commenting earlier on 24-4-16. Whether that should remain a barrier to co-operating remains to be decided by those involved in each set of beliefs and activities.

Hi T 34. The CWO and Trotskyism can't and will never cooperate, because the CWO is a communist proletarian organization and the Trotskyites are bourgeois.

Can nothing be done to stop this? I even get the shit at home. Morning and night!

Charlie, please explain in full exactly why you have described Trotskyites as bourgeois.

I describe the Trots as bourgeois because they are. Very left wing, very red-commie bourgeois out to make sure capitalism is maintained no matter what. And using high powered verbal radicalism to further confuse already confused workers who've fallen for their phony communist siren songs.

If you read their literature it doesn't sound like this. Their literature can out-do that of left communism in its clarity and persuasive purring tones. If you observe what they actually do as bourgeois political organizations, they're always urging workers' critical support for this that or the other side in some wholly bourgeois dispute of no interest to workers betterment but which they utilise to tie up workers in and to bewilder and ensnare. All this the better to keep workers from thinking about their own working class concerns.

As organisations Trot and Maoist and other left wing-waste matter organizations have nothing to offer the working class except extremely subtle deceit working towards the continual enslavement of the class to the bourgeoisie's exploitative system of wage labour presented as - believe it or not - socialism.

Currently, Sanders and Corbyn, who aren't exactly trots as such, function in a trot-like manner. Continually pushing forward their socialist ideas which are well contained however within the parameters of capitalism.

The trots, whose great days are perhaps over, I don't know, did this too though on a more massive scale. Urging support for anti-fascism (I think a favourite of yours T 34) or this that or the other side in Syria, or Ukraine, or Palestine or some other god forsaken bourgeois stronghold of mayhem and lunacy of no actual significance for the working class, whose only actual real class interest and freedom lies in disposing of capitalism rather than some partial corner of its decay.

But I am having difficulty in dealing with this today, and have already lost one long post on the issue. In fact this web site contains CWO writings on Trotskyism what not sample that?

Charlie, thank you for your reply of 21.05.2016 03:53. I would have replied, but despite my having repeatedly declined to be updated to Ws ten, it has been inflicted on my computer today, and that took ages, during which I had to go out. Therefore please accept my apologies for this inadqaite reply. I can tell you that during the morning I looked again all through the CWO book Trotsky, Trotskyism, Trotskyists, so assume that in any more of our exchanges on the subject we won't need to go over any of that, except perhaps to mark a point. Already I'm getting bouts of small window advice or requests to opt for this or that, so need to take deep breaths and a cuppa.

Sorry you've had stuff to contend with too. All the best.

T34 21.05.2016 4:47pm.