The United Front
The CWO has just had a meeting on the Spanish civil war, so the topic may be somewhat timely. Hopefully it will provide a handy resource for the future.
Perhapas I may be pushing the boundaries a little here, but feel free to argue an opposing case.
The ICC seems to categorically deny the United Front in its basic positions, but it is my understanding that we have a more nuanced perspective.
Let us consider this example;
pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk (sourceof all quotes in this post)
However, for the vast majority of 1917 the Bolsheviks were in the minority of the soviets. They were dominated by the Mensheviks and the Social Revolutionaries, a peasant-based party. Essentially these parties wanted to maintain the capitalist state and argue for reforms.
This was a reflection of the different political attitudes among the working class and peasantry. In these organisations the Bolsheviks respected the discipline of the soviet while patiently arguing their case and building their own forces. So in 1917 the Bolsheviks worked with other parties who had support among the working class even though they fundamentally disagreed with their policies.
By doing this and maintaining their own political line and organisation they eventually gained the support of the majority. In the revolutionary situation of 1917 Russia this meant that socialist revolution was on the agenda. For this reason Trotsky labelled the soviet the 'highest organ of the united front'.
So, in a sense the United Front question also involves the nature of the proletarian dictatorship. a multi party struggle within the Workers' councils rather than a communist Party dictatorship.
In a very real sense, the Proletarian Dictatorship can be conceived as a "united front"
We have long recognised the "United Front from below" which possibly resonates with the original concepton of the United Front.
One quotation from the Fourth Congress summarises this nicely: 'The united front tactic is simply an initiative whereby the Communists propose to join with all workers belonging to other parties and groups, and all unaligned workers, in a common struggle to defend the immediate basic needs of the working class against the bourgeoisie'.
Thus by struggling with working people the influence and strength of Marxism would grow and people would break with the ideas of reformism. Of course there needed to be organisational independence, reflected in one of Trotsky's slogans of the united front: 'March separately but strike together!'
And I'll let the historians amongst us debate this example
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Kornilov was a Russian general who attempted to overthrow the Provisional Government which had come to power after the revolution in February that had kicked out the Tsar. This government was led by capitalist politicians, in particular Kerensky of the Social Revolutionaries (SRs). The Bolsheviks at this time were facing great repression by the Provisional Government. Many of their leaders, including Trotsky, were jailed or in hiding like Lenin, their printing presses were attacked, and so on. Despite this repression the Bolsheviks proposed a united front with other parties to prevent the military coup. Trotsky often spoke of the true scenario where he was released from prison and immediately went to a meeting of this united front with leaders of the Mensheviks and SRs who had been responsible for his jailing!
This mobilisation of the working class meant that Kornilov was prevented from seizing Petrograd and was defeated. The Bolsheviks played a leading role and gained much respect from the Russian workers, soldiers and peasants. The revolt and the Bolsheviks' tactics had a critical impact on the success of the Russian Revolution in October. Again this provides a consummate example of the benefits of the united front in practice. Another point though is that both Kornilov and Kerensky stood for the same system. Trotsky labelled Kerensky 'three quarters a confederate of Kornilov'. This did not prevent the joint struggle, but the need to smash Kornilov and the correct tactics of the Bolshevik leaders meant that Kerensky himself could be overthrown two months later.
Now, the problem comes with transfering historical examples onto current reality. Today, there are no mass workers parties which can come together. Even the SWP say so
The so called Social Democratic or Labour parties in the developed world led by Blair and New Labour have become openly capitalist parties. Although many working people still passively support these parties, this is much more fluid than it was in the early 20th century, and that support can transfer to other political forces.
So the classical position of a united front equalling a coming together of two or more mass workers' parties over a specific issue--as in Germany in the 1930s or Russia in 1917--is not really appropriate today.
But depending on the definition of the "United Front", it could be possible to say we do engage in them now.
Perhaps our concept of factory groups also ties in with the general theme of the United Front (perhaps I am stretching the point too far also!). The Party seeks to influence and work with workers who are not party members.
No War but Class War represents a United Front according to this definition
Single-issue campaigns can be united fronts--indeed, to be successful they probably have to be. But it is important to note that united fronts cannot be unilaterally declared by one group--they have to be a genuine coming together of different forces with specific clear political objectives.
So, perhaps my conclusion is that we are not simply for or against United Fronts in toto, we examine the specific cases and facts before deciding. this seems to be a dialectial materialist perspective rather than an undifferentiated idealist perspective that cannot say the interplay of the pro and anti-revolutionary in these phenomena.
Is that correct, comrades?
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J Just got the new Span civ
J
Just got the new Span civ war pamphlet, it looks good.
I think that these pamphlets, like the one on Trotsky, like the one on class consciousness are very useful as long term tools and will retain relevance for a long time.
I will stand near the SWP sellers in Barnsley and try to sell a couple.
Just back from the Orwell
Just back from the Orwell meeting.
I thought it went great.
Approx 100 people.
I gave out 50 leaflets, made a spoken intervention
'' I am not a polished speaker but I am a revolutionary communist.....''
And sold all the Spain 1934-39, pamphlets.
A*
You are taking liberties with
You are taking liberties with the concept. You are reducing a real historical experience to nothing here. The united front was a specific policy of the incipiently counter-revolutionary Comintern. It was a step away from the revolutionary clarity which had produced a revolution in Russia. To have policy of going "to the masses" at a time when it was recognised that the international working class revolution was in retreat could only end in compromise with the counter-revolution. It not only confused revolutionary workers in the 1920s it made communists look ridiculous by trying to court the leaders of the murderous pro-capitalist Social Democratic parties (which some Communist Parties had left only one year before!). The article from the SWP you quote is a hackneyed repeat of well worn Trotskyist arguments which we have answered elsewhere.
Common principled cooperation with others who share our perspective on a particular issue is not the same as a "united front" (which was to set up "workers' governments"). We don't chnage our analysis or framework just to cooperate but we do explore what we have in common. Currently we have said we will discuss cooperation with any others who see the need not just to fight the cuts but also to fight the system. It is amazing how difficult it is to find anyone who will agree on even this.
I appreciate you are
I appreciate you are defending proletarian independence and I was in no way thinking in terms of jumping into bed with parliamentary parties etc.
At the Barnsley meeting a big part of my spoken intervention was a critique of the "vote labour" SWP.
I argued afterwards to a SWP paper seller that the state in capitalist society was always a dictatorship and that far from voting for any aspect of it our task was to smash it.
Perhaps you could specifically address the "United Front from below"
do you think this is correct
We have long recognised the “United Front from below” which possibly resonates with the original concepton of the United Front.
One quotation from the Fourth Congress summarises this nicely: ‘The united front tactic is simply an initiative whereby the Communists propose to join with all workers belonging to other parties and groups, and all unaligned workers, in a common struggle to defend the immediate basic needs of the working class against the bourgeoisie’.
Thus by struggling with working people the influence and strength of Marxism would grow and people would break with the ideas of reformism. Of course there needed to be organisational independence, reflected in one of Trotsky’s slogans of the united front: ‘March separately but strike together!’
Not ignoring the fact that Trotsky did not observe his own rules on the matter!
What about an example of say fascists attacking an "immigrant" community. Communists could join the fight and defend workers from other political parties. Now, that seems to me to be an example of a United Front from below, there is no formal arrangement with the leaderships of the workers under attack, in fact we could argue they were every bit as bad as the fascists. Hell, we could say they were worse at this moment in time. But, because the victims are workers we fight with them.
However, if you think that the whole United Front idea is just a mess, do you think we should drop the "United Front from below"?
and stick with
Common principled cooperation with others who share our perspective on a particular issue is not the same as a “united front”
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I found this interesting.
I found this interesting. Relevant too. One of the big divisions between us and the legion of socialist this and that is our abstentionism and no labour vote.
'' What can we conclude from this look at the Communist Party’s electoral strategy over the first fifteen years of its existence? Well, firstly that the strategy was driven by the party’s assessment, some may say obsession, with the Labour Party. Following Lenin’s advice, the newly formed CPGB applied for affiliation to the Labour Party soon after the party’s foundation. This aim of affiliation was the main strategic target that the party set itself during the first eight years of its existence. During its first two years, the CPGB did not urge its supporters to vote Labour in the absence of a communist candidate – but in its endeavours to gain affiliation it was made clear to the communists at successive Labour Party Conferences that they would never be admitted as long as they stood candidates against Labour. It was the same kind of argument that was used almost eighty years later to obtain Ken Livingstone’s expulsion from the Labour Party. Livingstone was prepared to stand against a Labour candidate and so he was expelled. There may have been other reasons for his expulsion but that was the one that was put forward by the Labour Party Executive. Equally there were many reasons why the Labour Party NEC did not welcome Communist Party affiliation, but the one they used at the time was the communists’ opposition to Labour candidates. In order to overcome this opposition and to achieve its main objective of affiliation, in August 1922, the CPGB, after much soul searching and disagreement, decided no longer to stand candidates against the nominees of the Labour Party. This policy was to remain in force for the next six years. During that time, communists and their supporters were urged to vote Labour. The Party even lent its support to the formation of the first Labour Government, dependent though it may have been on Liberal support. In 1928, all that changed, and in a complete turnaround the CPGB, over the next few years, contested as widely as its finances would allow. There was no support whatsoever for the Labour Party who were considered worse than the Tories, and nothing more than social fascists. In the absence of a communist candidate, communist supporters were asked to write "communism" across their ballot papers. Labour Party meetings were broken up, and the Labour left were deemed the worst kind of class traitors. During this Class against Class phase, the CPGB doubled it membership and firmly established a daily newspaper, and one with a rising circulation.''
The whole article is worth a read whatnextjournal.co.uk
Now you can say all sorts and raise many objections, but the evidence there seems to be the anti -Labour line served the CP better than any tactical wishy washy halfway critique.
Consider the SWP's current position socialistreview.org.uk
''We want Labour MPs to work with us and speak on platforms, whether in Unite Against Fascism or defending a local hospital. We should take every opportunity to unite with the widest possible layer of activists to resist the onslaught of attacks which are certain to intensify, whichever government is in power. The only debate between the Tories and Labour at the moment is whether there will be cuts now or cuts later. So alongside slogans about the election we will have to make one message loud and clear - whoever wins will be committed to attacking working class living standards, so whoever wins we'll have to organise to fight.''
We need to have a good argument we can easily articulate -live- to counter all this collaboration and of course, present it in the difficult situations where such class collaboration is dominant.
“We need to have a good
"We need to have a good argument we can easily articulate -live- to counter all this collaboration and of course, present it in the difficult situations where such class collaboration is dominant." I think you just did! Interesting reading.
Maybe we could do with a swp
Maybe we could do with a swp critique, I bet Dave would have a word to contribute.
There seems to be a disconnect between their theory (particularly older) and their public presence.
I just read a piece by Tony Cliff where he writes
''I have to say I’m a Jew, but if any member of the SWP is called a Jew they’d say, “Of course I’m a Jew. I’m proud of it.” You don’t deny it.''
Well, is that the position of a leader of a revolutionary communist party?
I found this comment quite
I found this comment quite unexpected. I think the United Front in 1917 was much different than the Trotsky/Trotskyist United Fronts and the Stalinist Fronts in the 1930s and 1940s. If it's practical and beneficial for the proletarian struggle, then it can be okay. However the idea of multi-party soviets is unavoidable, Bordiga talked of the necessity of the communist party to win positions in the soviets in order for them to actually be revolutionary. It may become necessary to create a United Front, but it is dangerous waters. It depends on what the situation is in the revolution.
Stevein7 is bewildering and
Stevein7 is bewildering and scaring me. I prefer Steve the proclaimed revolutionary communist, on the Orwell thread, to the Steve apparently cosying up with the SWP and the Trotskyist reformers. I totally agree with jas4500 that this "is dangerous waters". Trotskyists and Stalinists have absolutely nothing to contribute to the proletarian revolution, except confusion and betrayal. Surely we all know this by now?
Odd comment Charlie, but
Odd comment Charlie, but maybe I am not expressing myself well.
I am not suggesting a joint venture with anyone, I am exploring the idea of joint action alltogether.
We seem to accept that No War but Class War is a joint venture, or a potential one.
Fighting the cuts means fighting capitalism.
Next question, is it a United Front?
Can we support some kind of united front, in fact, what is one?
What is the United Front from below exactly?
Worth exploring because AFAIK the UFFB remains part of our orientation.
I can't see how what I have written favours Trotskyists and Stalinists. Much of the literature we produce is in some way relates to those figures, their policies etc. Not that exploring their perspectives is to adopt them.
Now, I don't mind if we conclude that there is no definition of the United Front that we can uphold, not even the UFFB, but as CLEISH says, we do seek principled cooperation with others and I gave an example of what I thought was a UFFB, so the question is how do we articulate that. Not United Fronts?
For me words mean something. United Front from below seems to me a tool we can use.
I agree that Trotskyists and Stalinists are both anti proletarian currents.
Jas seems to be saying pretty much what I am thinking.
youtube.com cpgb-ml. on
cpgb-ml. on labour.
Now to me its just a way to expand my understanding of what's going on, but maybe we should not risk contamination by listening ...personally I am willing to risk it!
cpgb-ml.org Some good ideas
Some good ideas here.
OMG! I'm turning into Joe , AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHH! Help, pleeeeease!
Stevein Help? First, stop
Stevein Help? First, stop digging. You were wrong to even discuss the united front (which has very specific historical connotations) in the context of what we do today as I said at the beginning. NWBCW was more like a territorial/community group not a united front with anyone. The reference above is absolutely reactionary. These people have only a tangential critique of other capitalist parties because they are themselves capitalist. Basically it says vote CPGB(M-L) sometime in the future.
True Cleish… I was making
True Cleish... I was making light of Charlie's post, hopefully the ICT won't accuse me of being a Trotskyist and a Stalinist at the same time. The term 'United Front' carries too much baggage and confusion to be of any positive benefit, I'll take that as the last word on the matter, unless anyone wants to say anything. Happily accepting cwo discipline here, no qualm or quarrel.
Carry on saying what you
Carry on saying what you like. This is an open forum where anyone can raise what they like. My view here is not "CWO discipline" [especially as our (outdated?) statutes don't specifically cover the website!] but simply my view. However people like Charlie or Jas, who don't know you like I do, find your dialectical method "scary". They don't realise that you like to "think outside the box" (to coin a bourgeois management cliche) in order to provoke an "antithesis" in order to develop your own thinking on any issue. I, and others in the CWO, find it stimulating but we sometimes have to think about those who don't know us so well.
We are citing Stalinist
We are citing Stalinist Capitalist parties now! This is the proper time to yell STOP! First off it's scary and second of all this is becoming dangerous adventurism. I came to the Communist Left because of their support for a real dictatorship of the proletariat. I know that in order for this to happen the proletariat must elect their own government and have absolute control over it. The communist party works with the Proletariet's organizations to bring about communism. Now if we ever consider a united front we would need to betray the anti-proletarian elements within the front, this is why United Fronts are dangerous.
Cleish what are the
Cleish what are the discipline statutes? Just curious. I live in America and there are not a lot of members in the Internationalist Workers Group.
I don’t mind comrades
I don't mind comrades thinking " outside the box" (I like it!) as long as they don't think themselves into the bourgeois box. What jas4500 says I totally agree with. The ICT has to think carefully about guys like jas4500, you don't want to drive him away do you? And a question for Cleish: can't you bring your statutes up to date? And it's good that Steve - such an excellent revolutionary on the Orwell thread - will accept CWO "discipline": by which is meant, I suppose, "toe the line" ?
I may have over reacted a bit
I may have over reacted a bit in my last post. It was a shock seeing Maoist/Stalinist party's name and the words "some good ideas" next to them. Yes I agree it is not bad to talk about these things.
I bet we’ll end up with an
I bet we'll end up with an ex cpgb (ml) member or two eventually.
One of the reasons I follow their line is because I have had long term discussion with one of their members, sometimes in the presence of others.
Know your enemy .
“I bet we’ll end up
"I bet we’ll end up with an ex cpgb (ml) member or two eventually". Perhaps, but revolutionaries don't play dice with the counter-revolution (with apologies to Einstein). Knowing the enemy also means making a proper appraisal/criticism of what they are up to.
Jas
Re the statutes they are just the rules by which (I suppose) any organisation is run). When people say they are in political agreement and would like to sign up to joining they are sent or given the statutes and we go through them. If they have questions we try to answer them. Mostly they are common sense. Discipline is generally self-discipline and in an organisation of volunteers our only sanction is one of expulsion or suspension. We have never expelled anyone. Charlie The statutes can only be altered by a two thirds majority of the whole organisation meeting in an AGM so updating is not just a quick redraft. On reflection they may not need updating since we have general clauses which demand that members defend the platform of the organisation ("toe the line?"), engage in comradely debate etc. This can apply to the internet too although these websites seem to encourage fast and loose talk which people have to be aware of. Anything anyone says on here is their personal view and does not represent the organisation's view. In fact the vast majority of our membership don't participate in any forums Personally I am quite relaxed about this even if it does lead to errors (not to mention embarassment) but Jas and Charlie are absolutely right to make the corrections they have done. Thanks.
“Toe the line” sounds a
"Toe the line'' sounds a little reluctant.
We of the CWO support our programme and the organisation in general because of a profound sense of its correct and authentic perspective.
Others may have some partial truth and common ground with us, but inevitably their deviation from the core orientation of no support for any bourgeois faction which lies at the heart of the CWO/ICT
reduces them, subjectively or not, to appendages of the capitalist structure.
Thought I would add my two
Thought I would add my two penneth worth. I do think its useful to raise the united front in todays context of the struggle against all aspects of the deepening global capitalist crisis mainly because the UF is in some form at the centre of all the Trotskyist groups. All those who are becoming radicalised through the current crisis will generally come across the Trots before they come across us and therefore will be influenced by tactics such as the UF.
In the hands of the Trotskyists the UF means working with all manner of reformist and not so reformist organisations such as Muslim organisations in a non critical way. After all Alex Callinicos of the SWP legitimised Respect by calling it a united front of a new type. When in fact it was a form of popular frontism which brings together all organisations irrespective of class background. Seems to me we need to be able to distinguish between a UF and a PF.
The UF is in many ways a organisational approach to solving a particualry difficult question and that is how to influence workers in the direction of a revolutionary seizure of power by the working class. When in fact what is required is the patient explaining to workers of the necessity of a communist programme and through such a process helping/facilitating the development of an independent working class consciousness which is communist. This is what is required rather than some bureacratic approach which only leads to demoralising militants when the reformists behave just as reformists do.
Finally for me I agree with Cleishbotham earlier posting which places the original united front tactic in the context of the developing counter revolution and was in fact an abondenment of the tactic of the Third International of clarifying the differences between communsits and reformists. I also came across a report from Trotsky who pointed out that UF are only applicable and can only be applied when the CP has reached a certain density of members. Before that density they can only be propaganda groups and in fact become ridicoulous when they try to pretend they are influential within the working class than they are. It was Trotskys contention that if they are going to work with mass reformist workers organisations then before the reformist leadership will listen to them then they need to have the members if not they would simply be swatted away as irritants.
I'm pleased that Stevein7 raised this issue as I do think that we need to be able to win workers to our position and to do that we need to be able to tackle the tactic of the UF to show the detrimental effect it has on workers struggle.